Comments on: paper or oil drilling?

By: chickenshit

chickenshit — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:48:48 +0000

The more you buy the more trash you produce. If you want to save the world, grow your own shit, and take your shit and sprinkle it over your crops…………..Yum YuM

By: Lyle_s

Lyle_s — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:29:36 +0000

I hope Oggy is right. Someone make this equation a reality:

3CO2 + = 2O3 + diamonds (or clean coal) falling from the sky!

Sounds like the specification in the law was aimed at forcing the use of recycled materials, not paper. Maybe those lobbying for this change thought it was useful to market it as paper over plastic?

Lastly, go get a reusable grocery bag, hippie!

By: Oggy

Oggy — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:53:56 +0000

Blade Runner and Mad Max are models of two very likely stages of civilization right now.
Waterworld and WALL-E aren’t implausible either.

I’m also pretty sure that our land fills will be mined for petroleum products in a few hundred years when reverse refinement becomes feasible, so while we burn dinosaur shit for fuel someone will burn our pollution for fuel. They’ll probably find a way to scrub the depleted ozone layer of CO2.

By: Rolston

Rolston — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:49:07 +0000

Thanks for the info. Where is it that you’re writing from?

By: Belcat

Belcat — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:59:55 +0000

A few things come to mind:
Bring your own bag, plastic, paper, whatever. Here they charge 5 cents a bag, so there’s even more incentive. Re-using bags is going to make way more change than using paper or plastic. Again, REUSE your bags. Yes, bring some bags to the grocery store.
They are starting to make some plastics that break down organically, made from corn starch (no surprise there, with all the corn subsidies).
And the bags given away are mostly useless for recycling or reusing. They have very little weight (so you don’t get squat from recycling them) and they are so flimsy, they can’t be reused much. The paper give-away paper bags here aren’t much better for re-usability, so mostly we are using thick plastic ones (including my backpack).
By the way, those disposable bags are made from natural gas.
Also by the way, not that you’re likely to see a bag made from this, but rayon is actually made from oak, birch, or bamboo fibers (Google it), not petroleum or natural gas.